In 1965, Nikon introduced the first TTL metering finder, Photomic T, for Nikon F system. Although it was a significiant improvement to its predecessor Photomic, it did have a slightly larger base that required the mirror housing to be modified. A red dot in front of the serial numbers was added to designate those body modified to accept Photomic T and later finders. The red dot can only be found between the body serial numbers 658xxxx to 66xxxxx. It should be noted that all the bodies from 67xxxxx number block onwards were modified but without the red dot. Within the range of 658000-659999, I would say only about 3/4 of them are modified and red-dotted. As the serial numbers get closer to 659999, the more likely you will see a red dot. 65 block Red Dot F is not as rare as some dealers would like you to believe. However, 66 block Red Dot is a different story. There are only around 3000 bodies made in this block and ALL of them are chrome and red-dotted n(watch out for the fake black 66 bodies. They do exist!). Why Nikon suddenly jumped the serial numbers from 6602xxx to 67 block is still an unsolved mistery. I think they probably realized all the new bodies were going to be made to accept the new finders anyway, they might as well stop stamping the red dot at some stage. It would be less confusing to start off with a new block of serial nos. Make sense?

Unmodified mirror house A Red Dot version with modified miror house that can accept Photomic T finder.

Three different versions of Red Dot F

Even rarer than 66 block Red Dots are black bodies with a red dot. According to Uli Koch's fabulous reference book for Nikon F, they only exist in the 6597xxx number block. i.e. much less than 1000 black bodies can be found with a red dot! (I have seen chrome Red dot body repainted in black though) The only red dot bodies that can beat this, in terms of rarity, are those "Nikkor" marked bodies with a red dot. Nikkor bodies were only made for German market for a short period of time.

   

 

How many Red Dot Fs are there?

Of all the Nikon Fs between 6580000 and 6599999 I have come across, 90 out of 121 bodies (around 75%) are Red-dotted. Assuming all those 121 samples were randomly picked, we can then base our estimate of the total number of Red Dots on the 75% figure. Since there are 20,000 Fs between 658000 and 6599999, we should expect to see rougly 15,000 of them with a Red Dot. On top of that, there are around 3,000 Red Dots on the 66 block. That gives a total number of 18,000! Of course, this is only a ballpark figure. More "random" samples will be needed to improve the statistics.

There is an extremely extensive Red Dot list publised in issue No.82 of the Nikon Historical Society Journal. The list is a combined effort of many NHS members, especially Mr Richard de Stoutz and Mr Harry Verschuren. With kind permission from the NHS President Mr Robert Rotoloni, I have reproduced the list here, combined with some of my own Red Dot numbers, for your reference. This list will be amended from time to time as more Red Dots are discovered in the future. Since the original NHS list consists of only Red Dot bodies, it was not used in my earlier estimation of the total number of Red Dots.

 

   
 

THE RED DOT NKON F LIST (updated on 25 Jan 2010)

Bold numbers with a letter B after the serial numbers --- Black bodies

Italic numbers with FB after the serial numbers --- Original chrome bodies repainted in black

Italic numbers with NP after the serial numbers --- Number plate only, the camera has been dismantled

Italic numbers with NK after the serial numbers --- Nikkor bodies for German market

Italic numbers with GD after the serial numbers --- Gold plated bodies

(Red numbers are new additions since last update on 6 Jan 09)

 

6575738B 6587791 6591237 6594594 6596568 6598141
6575857B 6587832 6591267 6594631 6596623 6598142
6575859B 6587863 6591270 6594632 6596757 6598146
6576610 6588327 6591280B 6594665 6596775 6598170
6578939 6588473 6591308 6594687 6596776 6598183
6579343 6588745 6591309 6594701 6596782 6598207
6579590 6588766 6591338 6594749 6596796 6598208
6579650 6588824 6591464 6594766 6596885 6598264
6581277 6588859 6591472 6594773 6596949 6598364
6581357 6588996 6591537 6594781 6597102 6598379
6582900 6589023 6591583 6594812 6597148 6598397
6583061 6589030 6591695 6594832 6597159 6598431
6593069 6589116 6592025B 6594834 6597183 6598445
6583239 6589257 6592249 6594871 6597262B00 6598456
6583470 6589384 6592481 6594888 6597267B 6598467
6583486 6589469 6592527 6594897 6597295B 6598591
6583571 6589495 6592530 6594937 6597308B 6598661
6583622 6589536 6592625 6594974 6597337B 6598718
6583682 6589559 6592656 6595012NK0 6597340B 6598772
6584000FB 6589560 6592673 6595024 6597392B 6598853
6584220 6589614 6592702 6595054 6597395B 6598953
6584584 6589647NP 6592779 6595074 6597396B 6599026
6585000 6589742 6592879 6595118 6597425B 6599082
6585030 6589752 6592982 6595149 6597448B 6599222
6585392 6589753 6593008 6595206 6597475B 6599264
6585401 6589842 6593026 6595272 6597524B 6599292
6585408 6589915 6593070 6595284 6597528B 6599407
6585512 6589979 6593071 6595290 6597548B 6599452
6585566 6590025 6593124 6595317 6597558B 6599463
6585632 6590122 6593158 6595348 6597580B 6599489
6585640 6590127 6593198 6595403 6597602B 6599492
6585743 6590135 6593213NP 6595426 6597612B 6599712
6585813 6590163 6593288 6595444 6597628B 6599826
6585943 6590212 6593306 6595570 6597653B 6599914
6586013 6590261 6593380 6595574 6597660B 6599927
6586014 6590319 6593459 6595603 6597694B 6599945
6586084 6590383 6593499 6595640 6597702B 6599960
6586163 6590424 6593647 6595821 6597718B 6599968
6586535 6590442 6593698 6595869 6597733B  
6586749 6590568 6593766 6595917 6597812B
6587137 6590676 6593777 6595970 6597816B
6587163 6590704 6593782 6596004 6597818B
6587195 6590753 6593852 6596147 6597892B
6587335 6590895 6593922 6596229 6597918
6587415 6590966 6594045 6596283 6597920
6587541 6591009 6594226 6596301 6597969
6587590 6591025 6594294 6596373 6598020
6587637 6591109 6594303 6596377 6598119
6587681 6591110 6594382 6596460 6598121
6587721 6591113 6594406 6596481 6598137
         

 

 
6600012 6601503
6600021 6601586
6600057 6601611
6600142 6601687
6600166 6601688
6600186 6601693
6600187 6601724
6600225FBw 6601740
6600283 6601753
6600295 6601772
6600341 6601776
6600417 6601833
6600429 6601861
6600455 6601883
6600484 6601932
6600516 6602011
6600556 6602013
6600595 6602090
6600650 6602132
6600664 6602142
6600724 6602155
6600738 6602206
6600763 6602260
6600765 6602288
6600879 6602290
6600962 6602292
6600975 6602322
6600988 6602356
6601003 6602374
6601027 6602385
6601030 6602394GD
6601100 6602428
6601150 6602486
6601152 6602497
6601181 6602580
6601201 6602609
6601233 6602620
6601246 6602675
6601256 6602680
6601284 6602757
6601339 6602768
6601351 6602819
6601355 6602847
6601362
6601395
6601424
6601425
6601450
6601487
6601489

 

 

The red dot serial numbers listed below are not in the normal range where you would expect to find the red dots. Their authenticity is unknown.

6400484
6470110
6499558 Questar body
6518885 Red dot engraved after the serial no.
6426599B
6532092B


 
The serial numbers listed below are confirmed NOT to have a red dot. If you see one with a red dot later on, you know they are not original!
6573461 6579448 6583191 6584747 6588625 6593922
6573734 6579923 6583192 6585964 6589136
6575435B 6580169 6583260 6586156 6589205
6575734B 6580340 6583478 6586308Fake 6591898B
6575954B 6580387 6583486 6586313 6591915B
6576006B 6580657 6583564 6586666 6592136B
6576378 6580658 6583592 6586872 6592175B
6576589 6581394 6583635 6587317 6592193B
6576871 6581424 6583706 6587340 6592290
6576996 6581539 6583741 6588010 6592335
6577019 6582003 6583873 6588204 6592341
6577496 6582454 6584113 6588404 6592425
6577845 6582718 6584484 6588454 6592530
6578288 6582773 6584595FB 6588480 6592915
6578774 6582961 6584688 6588489 6593785

A few words about those Black Red Dot bodies

You may notice that there are a few black Red dots outside the 6597 series in the list. Their authenticity cannot be verified by the author, but they are included in the list for your reference anyway. It should be noted that Nikon produced black bodies in blocks of consecutive serial numbers, rather than randomly picking one here and one there. If you see a black Red dot body whose adjacent serial numbers are all chrome, then there is a good chance that this black one was also originally chrome. Apart from painting a chrome Red dot body black, one can also fake a black Red dot by modifying an authentic black (but Non-Red dot) body to Red dot version. All you have to do is to remove the raised lips behind the mirror hosuing and drill a Red dot in front of the serial numbers! (see this poorly done fake red dot !!) Although Nikon might have done the modification to some of the black bodies outside 6597 series on request, they don't seem to like adding the Red dot before the serial numebrs, otherwise you should see a lot more pre-6580 red dot bodies around. The safest way to get an authentic black Red dot body is to look for those in 6597 series!

 

Update 25 Jan 2010

If you combine the Red-dot and the non-Red-dot lists together, at least 3 black number blocks will start to emerge. They are 6575-6576, 6591-6592 and the well known 6597. According to Uli's book, black Red dots only exist in 6597 block. However, given the random nature of the Red dot bodies distribution, it seems unlikely that the entire black number block could escape Red dot modification. I therefore believe some non-6597 black Red dot bodies, at least those within 6591-6592 block, are authentic.

 

 

 
 
*Special thanks to Mr Christophe Sap, Mr Kiumars Kaffi, Mr Bill Pringle, Mr Tony Hurst and several other fellow NHS memebers who kindly provided many red dot numbers to me.
     
 
         

Updated on 25 Jan 2010